Aug 28 2010

Olaszok ideje

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Mad Max 10. győzelmére vár az SBK-ban és 60 ponttal vezeti a VB-t. Sosem volt még olasz világbajnok az SBK-ban. Most meglehet, olasz motoron, olasz trikolorban egy élő legendával a nyeregben. Ha összejön ő lehet 28 év után az első olasz világbajnok, olasz motoron (Agostini/MV Augusta/500cc után)

Jövőre Vale megkapja a vörös szörnyet. Ha megszelidíti, kesztyű nélkül, puszta ököllel verekedhetnek Lorenzoval, és ha minden össze jön, ő lehet 29 év után az első olasz világbajnok a ‘49 óta tartó VB sorozatban, olasz motoron, valamint az első olasz, aki Ducatin lesz világbajnok.

Ha mindez összejön Max fölnő Valehoz az olaszok szemében? Egy év múlva két nemzeti hőse lesz az olasz gyorsasági motorsportnak? 2011-ben mindent elvihetnek? Tényleg itt az új korszak, V2 és V4?  Vége a japán s4 uralomnak, ha élni akarnak ki kell találni valami újat? A válságból valóban azok jönnek ki jól, akik nem csak átvészelték, hanem beledurrantottak a fejlesztésbe?

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  1. akos27on 30 Aug 2010 at 11:20 pm

    Ha…, ha…, ha… majd jövő ilyenkor térjünk vissza rá.
    Egyébként hol van (volt) japán sor 4 uralom? Az SSP600-ról nem beszéltél, az SBK-ban nem igazán, a GP-ben pedig csak a Rossi-Yamaha “házasság” óta, esetleg…

  2. hip83on 04 Sep 2010 at 2:00 pm

    Arra gondoltam, hogy átjön-e az utcára a V4, ha az Aprilia lebünteti a népet.
    Mondjuk a v2-sem nagyon jött le az utcára, mikor a DUC büntetett. Viszont most Hondánál is pedzegetik a V4 speedet…

    Én pl. személy szerint a következő 5 éves tervben nagyn szivesen látnék egy Honda VFR600RR-t vagy nevezzük bárminek.

  3. akos27on 04 Sep 2010 at 2:55 pm

    Szerintem nem mert drágább gyártani, lásd a Yamaha keresztsíkú főtengelyét se akarják bevetni a 600-asnál.
    Ellenben a Honda lehet, hogy meglépi mert van előzménye (VFR-ek) és tapasztalata (GP). Kicsit kisebb lyukat fúrnak a VFR blokkba, megtúrják és mehet a CBR 1000 VFRR (VXR, RRV, VRR, etc)-be. :) A 600-ig nem hiszem, hogy levinnék.

  4. hip83on 05 Sep 2010 at 1:28 pm

    Nem értek a motorok gyártástechnológiájához, de nem igazán értem a drágább gyártást a keresztsíkú főtengelynél. A VFR-nél jobban el tudom képzelni, de akkor is csak azt, hogy pár extra gyártási fázist kell beiktatni, nem tudom mennyire kellhetnek extra anyagok.

    Szóval nem provokálni akarlak, csak azt akarom elérni, hogy ha tudsz erről bővebbet, akkor kérlek írd meg, mert engem pl. nagyon érdekel.

  5. akos27on 06 Sep 2010 at 10:11 pm

    “Az egyenetlen gyújtássorrend miatt elviselhetetlenül remegne a blokk – főleg magas fordulaton – azonban ezt a problémát a mérnökök egy kiegyensúlyozó tengely beépítésével megoldották. A különleges főtengely és a blokköntvény a hagyományosnál bonyolultabb tervezési és gyártási folyamatokat igényel, s ez némileg növeli a motor árát.”
    A főtengely kovácsolása nem ennyire egyszerű mint az alábbi videóban mivel nem egy osztósíkja van, tehát új szerszámok és gyártástechnológia kell(ett): http://www.sportmotor.hu/motoros_videok/reklam/gsxr-1100-45434
    Plusz egy kiegyensúlyozótengely minden “nyűgjével” és azok költségei.
    A V4 motor gyártásához pedig szinte egy új gyártósor kell új szerszámokkal, plusz a “kikísérletezési” költségei azoknál akik még nem csináltak olyant, arról nem beszélve, hogy jóval több alkatrészből áll.

  6. hip83on 06 Sep 2010 at 10:42 pm

    Tyűha, szép videó. Kemény, hogy legalább 15 éves szalagról beszélünk, és már akkor milyen gyártástechnológiát toltak. Nem egyszer csillan meg a mérőtapintó a főtengelyen.

    A kovácsolás tudásom is gyenge, de értem amire gondolsz. Bár elnézve az R1 főtengelyét az a benyomásom támad, hogy azért úgy alakították ki, hogy két irányból hozzá lehet férni mindenhez.

    A kiegyensúlyozó tengely meg nyilván a ballaszt. Igazából elgondolkodtató, hogy a motor robosztusságának (értem hibatűrésének) megtartásához mennyit kellett beáldozni az egyenletesbb nyomaték leadás oltárán. Így átgondolva nem vennék első sézriás bigbang R1-et =).

    Egyébként valószleg ténlyeg kicsit a saját határaikat súrolják ezzel, viszont a V4-ben nincs ennyi necces dolog. Konstrukcióját tekintve gondolom az egy lényegesen kevésbé szorul ilyen celluxozásra, hogy megbízhatóan működjön. A több alkatrész az nyilván jogos, viszont én az új gyártósort, szerszámot technológiát egyszeri költségbe sorolom. Azt most leverik vastagon az új VFR tulajokon, aztán már csak az extra darabokat kell megfizetni. Bár a Hondánál pont a régi VFR miatt valszint ez az átállás jelentősen könnyebb. hmm?

  7. akos27on 07 Sep 2010 at 10:05 pm

    Szerintem a megbízhatósággal nem lesz gond a Japánoknál, nem jellemző és mivel a gyártottakból jelentős számút pályán használnak már hallottunk volna “híreket”. Mint az Aprilia V4 esetében volt is az elején. (blokkcserék)
    A V4 konstrukció se a kiegyensúlyozottságáról híres ezért bonyolultságban még a Yamaha R1-et is űbereli. Vagy kell kiegyensúlyozó tengely mint az Apriliában vagy, “gyártásigényesebb” elékelt a főtengely mint a Hondánál plusz dupla számú vezérműtengely és hozzá tartozó cullangok mind mind bonyolítják…
    Az árat nem (feltétlen) a gyártási költségek határozzák meg, hanem minden más. De igaz, hogy a Hondánál várható, leglogikusabban gondolkodva, hogy bevezetik más model(lek)ben is a technikát.
    Érdekesség itt az Aprilia blokkról: http://www.sportrider.com/bikes/146_0907_2010_aprilia_rsv4_factory/performance.html

  8. akos27on 07 Sep 2010 at 10:23 pm

    Ha még érdekel V technika:
    http://home.cogeco.ca/~rwbaxter/The%20V-Twin.htm
    :)

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    http://www.animatedpiston.com/Evo.htm

    Nyomkodd a lejátszást…

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